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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2007-11-06 23:04 #1

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何!
近日,距离祖国大陆上千公里的中国领土最南端——南沙群岛风云再起。日前,越南政府突然宣布,将在其强占的南沙群岛部分岛屿举行所谓“国会代表”选举,同时还与英国合修天然气管道。越南的行动,不仅遭到中国政府的强烈抗议,而且还使南沙问题更加复杂。

“复杂”?不知何时,复杂这个词汇开始一二再再而三的出现在报道的发言中。大有和“抗议”、“严重抗议”并列的趋势。每每看到“复杂情势”或“让某问题更加复杂”这个掩耳盗铃的美妙词汇,偶就感到这都成了压抑自己、民族国家挥刀自宫的代名词。我们看毛祖,邓公,在面对咄咄逼人的“鬼子”之时,什么时候有过一二再再而三的“复杂,复杂,复杂………………”!



一:复杂个锤子!

主权问题不容侵犯,要么谈,谈得拢最好,不战而屈人之兵,谈不拢就必须得打!!!没什么好犹豫的!没有第三条路可走!小偷都已经把手伸到你家春窝里来了,到处乱摸,你还无动于衷,而且还和它合作一起开发?操,这是什么样的鸵鸟?!

南沙、西沙本是我国的领土和领海,既然国家也一次又一次的高调发言指出,但是为何我们就不能去宣誓一下主权?不去宣誓也罢了,我忍了,但是我们要同时把实力摆在那地方才行啊。南海舰队强大的武装力量难不成就成天龟宿在“天然优良的”湛江海港?广东已经换装了J10,有了最新的歼轰飞豹,同时轰-6K装备下来也不是问题,水下面南海舰队已经有静音一流的元级,水上面主力战舰也是差不多最新的神盾级,为何就在不在此关键时刻,到那个“小丑宣誓”的地方去转转呢?所谓的搁置主权问题,是要在大家都能够承认和接受的情况下,才合作的来的,它都不把你当回事,把你当作猴子耍,而你还在搞什么合作开发,这在国际上岂不让人当作笑话看?

台湾闹独立,中央的决心很大,坚决打;可是二鬼子越南侵犯了我国的主权为什么就不敢教训它?同样都是损害了主权,损害了领土完整,可是为什么态度不一样呢?看看东南亚诸国占了咱们多少岛屿吧,这都是一味容忍造成的!胸有百万雄兵的统帅是不应该也不能把这个“复杂”鸟词天天挂在嘴边的,特别是别人拿刀进到你被窝的时候,你还在说“这个国际形式……还是……比较复杂的……”,这不是鸟人(主要是鸵鸟),这是什么?

我最近刻意重看了毛祖、周公、邓爷在面对如此“复杂形势”之时的发话:

毛祖在抗战,解放战争之时就有一句名言:"人不犯我.我不犯人.人若犯我.我必犯人.”

在抗美援朝时毛祖的:迟打不如早打,最多祖国晚建设几年。

抗美援越时,周公的:美军不得越过17度纬度线。

1979年的邓公:“对侵略者不给予惩罚,就有发生连锁反应的危险,中国有必要对越南加以制裁”。

其后最经典的要数1979年答记者的那一句:“小朋友不听话,该打打屁股了!”,“我们中国人说话是算数的。”

这才是泱泱大国的中华礼数啊!追古抚今,汉朝的霍去病名言犹如在耳,上一辈当家人的驾驭国际风云,出手迅速,狠辣,果断,坚决的神情仍在眼前之时,当今的严重抗议,时事复杂,最最严重抗议却已成了蒙绕中华帝国的面纱。



二:大乱才能大取

养兵千日,用兵一时,海军养了几十年也应该用一下了吧,尤其是主权受到侵犯的时候,应该展示一下中国军队的威力了!清朝的教训还历历摆在眼前,那时中国海军在全世界位置中的强大比现在有过之而无不及,但是避战自保下来的结果如何呢?除了几个衷心死国之士——大部分士兵不会开炮,军官不会打仗,强大的清帝国海军居然一触即散,做鸟兽散去。历史烟云把现在的老狼我呛得眼蒙流涕!细观现今的南沙状况:南沙群岛,中国欠你一场战争!

在南沙基本上现在一半以上的岛屿都被越南占取,若不是当年邓公在南沙群岛永兴岛拼命的修筑扩大军事建设,设立了“西沙中沙南沙工委办事处”,靠现在的中国海军,说的不好听一点:除了躲在海港里叫骂一两句,也就是“严重抗议”了。

1987年,人民海军多舰种合成编队曾在曾母暗沙海区列阵阅兵。1988年3月14日,人民海军到南沙群岛九章群礁海域巡逻,并在赤爪礁建立观察点,遭到越南入侵舰船的寻衅攻击,人民海军坚决予以还击,捍卫了祖国的尊严。但是邓公之后呢?除了毛祖邓公当年的永兴岛之外,还收回了那几个岛礁?恕我无知,到是越南人现在越霸越多。

现在大致被占岛礁为:越南:29个;菲律宾:9个;中国:8个;马来西亚:5个;文莱:1个。也就是说在南沙中国连菲律宾的地位都不如!

这是怎么样的疯狂?!强大和发展不是别人给予的,是靠自己去争取的。当弱智的人几十年如一日反对中国建造航空母舰的时候,当外交部千年老二的发言“严重抗议”的时候,中国多了东海之争,“复杂严重”了南海、西沙之争,甚至现在连鼻屎大小的韩国都敢在北京的鼻子底下和中国争夺他们所谓的“间岛”!

当越来越用所谓的“复杂”来安慰自己,掩耳盗铃的时候,中国的手脚不知道什么时候被绑得越来越紧。军队武装,民族百姓的血性被压抑得如有脱光了毛的公鸡。整个世界都在嘲笑你的无能的时候,却总还有那么一些人唱着“这个……形式……比较……复杂……”的“鸟歌”。

这一切如何解决?

现在这些现状都是越来越乱,美国、欧盟、东盟、日本,甚至是印度都在这些地方插了一手,中国犹如再一次被人轮奸,只不过场地不是在屋里(大陆上),而是到了屋外面的树林或广场。偶实在是想不出,这时到底是谁会有高潮!在国际上自以为酷,其实却是一个被人笑呆傻白痴般的南极土著(注:南极没人居住,南极土著是构想之物)。

我们再也不能这样下去了!!!

反对者们,你先不用说啥,我们知道这些国家的背后是美国、日本在支持。可是当初毛祖邓公之于朝鲜、越南之际每每何尝不是其背后有几个国家或西方在支撑呢?这不是所谓自己“缩头乌龟”的辩解之词。

在这些地方,大乱才能大取!特别是越南霸占的中国南沙群岛,我们的岛屿,我们自己才8个,人家越南反而拿了29个,这是什么世道?这个地方必须来一次“大乱大取”之战!现在越南刚刚学习中国开放改革不久,国家实力和中国还差了一大截,海军也是刚在鸠型,乘这一次机会把其正在发展中的海军打残,一举而多得。为了侠阻美日直接干涉,中国潜艇大量布置在南海,东海海域,南方沿海布置大量中远程导弹,狙击敢来犯贱的美日。

唉,痛心!说到底要是现在南海有一中国“南海号”航母舰队在的话,何止于现在捉襟见肘!!!(强盗或者小偷觊觎你家,而你手中有武器,它们就不敢造次,所以它们就诬蔑你,说你手里有武器要行凶,威胁到它们的安全,等你放下了武器,它们就高兴了,就该欺负你了。中国军队的强大,不仅不会对别国造成威胁(那些鼓吹中国威胁论的国家通常是心怀不轨的),相反,更有利于地区的稳定(因为没人敢再和中国在这些地区无理取闹了,不是对世界更和平了么?)。

这样一来,先拿越南南海的霸权行为开刀,其可起到如此作用:

一、显示了我国在主权问题上鲜明的态度,自家之地,不许任何外人霸占;

二、显示了我国军事的强大,同时检阅中国军队快速反应和驻军种集成作战能力,为下次可能的台海战争做个最好的预演(特别是海军和空军,该拉出来溜溜了。)

三、对台湾地区、其它南海诸国以及日本、美国等全世界任何仍然做着侵占或分裂中国领土清秋大梦得国家或地区,都是一种铁血的警告,比“千年抗议”的警告更加有效!

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2008-05-29 17:04 #2

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同意,已阅。抄送总参一份

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2008-06-27 10:31 #3

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也不晓得中央是怎么想的,多少收复点啊,到头来收复没有,丢的越多,实在不得人心啊。

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2009-02-20 23:13 #4

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本人也有同感,但现在打仗我们准备不足。正如楼主所诉,和平时期太久,指战员大多没有经过战争洗礼,地形还不利。只恐得不偿失啊!当务之急,还建人工岛好。第一,我们建岛美、俄、日要想干涉师出无名。第二,越南也好,菲律宾也罢实力不济,他们主动进攻,我国正好有借口夺回其占领岛礁。第三,人工岛建好,我们可以天天演习,每天都放几个大炮弹,干扰,恐吓。逼敌自动放弃,以达不战而胜目的

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2009-02-21 21:17 #5

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中国海疆由于政府的软弱,正在被各周边各国瓜分。小病忍成大病,病入膏癀,就很难控制了。

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2010-11-15 16:57 #6

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打仗是不能解决问题的..不是说打就打这么容易的..因为地球不是只有中国和越南2个国家..不打仗都可以解决问题才叫厉害..当然自己国家的领土是不允许别人不合法进入的

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2010-11-27 10:24 #7

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小动一下,或者局部战争完全可以的!再不行就直接杀过去设中国安南省!能抢回多少算多少!
南沙群岛一定要全歼越南。

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-06-16 12:19 #8

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中国政府越来越腐败一点也没有解放前的精神
不怕死
这由中国的贪官的多小就可以看出中国的腐败(至小我的镇担任镇长的10个有9个贪),越有钱越怕死,所以仗是打不成的了

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-06-17 10:18 #9

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我认为,现在口水仗当然还不能放松,还要继续打。但是着眼点应该有所转移了,转移到实际占领上面来,这一点,越南人做得就很值得我们学习借鉴。咱们就:“以其人之道还至其人之身”在那里与他们一个岛礁、一个岛礁的争夺,夺下来以后立即修建一个坚固的高脚屋,配备必要的轻重武器自卫和地对空导弹防空。只要武器配备得当,一个班的边防战士就可以抵御一艘驱逐舰的进攻。要把夺取容易守卫难改成易守难攻。

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-06-17 10:26 #10

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各位愤青请注意啦!你们要知道靠喊口号是拿不回南沙的,你的口号喊得再响亮,越南人也听不到,也听不懂。你要是有力气就多动动脑子,帮咱们的政府想出一些切实可行的主意出来。比如南沙存在夺取容易守卫难的现状,你有什么解决的办法?

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-06-17 10:32 #11

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楼主怀念毛祖,您可知南沙正是在您的毛祖手里丢掉的,丢给了越南人,你懂吗?什么都不懂的傻子也来这里大放厥词?丢人吧你。

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-06-17 20:19 #12

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时尚老头 写道:: 楼主怀念毛祖,您可知南沙正是在您的毛祖手里丢掉的,丢给了越南人,你懂吗?什么都不懂的傻子也来这里大放厥词?丢人吧你。

你也要知道当时毛祖的情况不要单看一面,毛祖的情况属于丢小的保大的,你懂吗?什么都不懂的傻子也来这里大放厥词?丢人吧你。如果不是毛祖你现在食的不是饭而是在食屎。

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-06-18 11:37 #13

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首先对至今仍驻守在南沙西沙群岛的军民致以崇高敬意。
但现实却是残酷的,如今世界形势大变,中国的经济实力通过疯狂消耗各种自然资源及广大人民群众的血汗跃居世界第二,所谓树大招风,枪打出头鸟,你们先看看南海地图,曾母暗沙都已经插到马来西亚海岸边上了,人家能不恼火吗,换位思考一下,如果越南、马来西亚、菲律宾等国国境线贴在海南岛的海岸边上,我们又作何感想?但毕竟有自古以来这么一说,今天我们的精力就不要再用到无谓的口舌之争上,毕竟越南都占了30个岛了,在这里说历史渊源没有任何意义,我们要多想想今天我们能做些什么?
我们都还沉浸在中国人民解放军威武雄壮三大战役解放全中国,出出兵朝鲜赶走美帝国主义的陈年幻象中,以为中国政府、解放军有多么的牛B,但你们想过没有,解放战争是一场什么战争?是内战!中国人打中国人!打成了今天大陆和台湾的事实分裂!抗美援朝是一场什么样的战争?是帮别人打内战!打成了今天南北朝鲜的事实分裂!中国军队今天的战斗力你们想过没有?别一天到晚看那些狗血电视剧里演的那些没用的东西,以为咱们国家军队牛B的不行,电视剧都是些社么东西?全是虚构的垃圾,你们用脑子想想,部队都去拍电视剧了,还能打什么仗?
本人曾在国内几个较核心的军事机构打过工,不说别的,就拿首都某军队医院来说,院里乌烟瘴气,以权谋私、一切以钱说话,看看那些个穿军装的男女,女的小脸个个白白嫩嫩走路风骚,夜不归宿秽乱宫闱,男的歪瓜裂枣,晚上声色犬马吃喝嫖赌坑蒙拐骗样样精通,个个是打炮专家,可惜不会用砍刀。从上之下一篇歪风邪气,官官相护、任人唯亲,唯利是图。地方官场的黑幕就更不用多说了。这样的军队,每当我从他们身边经过,我都极度怀疑他们能保卫祖国吗?国家要是真出了事情,最先逃跑的一定是这些腐兵,逃跑还算好的,多半见风使舵倒戈投降。
我在这里号召真正的血性男女,时刻准备好向南海进发,用生命捍卫领土完整,有谁还记得北约空袭中在中国驻南斯拉夫大使馆无辜牺牲者得名字?当时江A泽D民带领全国人民默哀,并说永远纪念,现在不去百度上查,有几个人还记得?
这个贴发的,我不得不说很没有水准,动i一下越南又如何?你说如何?谁去动?你去?我去?还是解放军去?都现实一点吧,你知道南沙群岛的邮政编码吗?真要是爱国,就给驻守岛上的军民寄些财务过去,还不知道能不能到呢!现在的中国就只能用“悲哀”2字来形容!

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-06-21 13:05 #14

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大家知道帕米尔高原的边界是怎样守卫的吗?那里可是无人区,根本没有生存条件。我们的边防军每年在大雪封山之前,巡逻一次,确保界碑没有被破坏就可以了。
其实南海群岛可以同样处理:第一全部收回,第二设立主权碑,第三宣布主权基线,第四确立领海、专属经济区,第五宣布国际水道并派海军护航打击海盗,第六国家执法机构常年巡逻驱逐非法入侵者,第七海空军不定期宣布在各个岛礁实弹演习以实力说话,第八三沙市城管队定期上岛礁拆除违章建筑。
各个岛礁不常驻军队,只要定期拆除违章建筑,确保主权碑没有被破坏就可以了。
“搁置争议”:我的理解是没有争议,不与别人讨论主权问题。不讨论就是搁置,不等于承认主权有争议!如果有人曾经说过主权有争议乃只能是个别人的观点,不代表国家。只有人民代表大会才有权利宣布主权的归属问题!
“共同开发”是指领海、专属经济区以外的地方,大家合伙发财。绝对不是让别人抢我的饭碗!

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-07-05 20:59 #15

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中国的军费开支特别大,大得惊人。但有什么用?养兵千日,用兵一时;我们是只养兵,不用兵,要军队何用?我们花那么多的军费,难道说只是些花瓶,供人看看而已。现在我国有很多人,整天在夸耀我们的军队多么强大,我们的武器多么先进,有什么用?再养50年,再夸耀50年,不但南沙群岛完了,我们的大陆本土怕都难保了。

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-07-12 06:10 #16

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但现实却是残酷的,如今世界形势大变,中国的经济实力通过疯狂消耗各种自然资源及广大人民群众的血汗跃居世界第二,所谓树大招风,枪打出头鸟,你们先看看南海地图,曾母暗沙都已经插到马来西亚海岸边上了,人家能不恼火吗,换位思考一下,如果越南、马来西亚、菲律宾等国国境线贴在海南岛的海岸边上,我们又作何感想?但毕竟有自古以来这么一说,今天我们的精力就不要再用到无谓的口舌之争上,毕竟越南都占了30个岛了,在这里说历史渊源没有任何意义,我们要多想想今天我们能做些什么?


China's GDP is 40 trillion yuan. Based on 6.45 yuan per dollar it is $6.2 trillion; based on 8.27 yuan per dollar like it was in 2005 it is $4.8 trillion and less than Japan; based on 3 yuan per dollar of real purchasing power parity value it is $13.3 trillion and almost as big as the American GDP. China is consuming 25% to 90% of the world's entire consumption of aluminum, steel, coal, cement, rare earth elements, etc. but is producing only less than 10% of the world's GDP while the income for the majority of the Chinese people who are the farmers is still less than $800 which is the international poverty level. The reason why China is consuming so much and yet still leave most of its people in poverty is due to the excessive exports which have made a few Chinese very rich while leaving most of the people grindingly poor. This is the same as the excessive of export of silk in the Qing Dynasty which enriched a few silk exporters while impoverished the vast majority of the farmers who produced the silk.

It is irrelevant that China's sea border is very close to the countries in the S. China Sea. Actually, it is not so very close anyway, even at the closest proximity to Palawan of the Philippines the distance between China's territorial island is still almost 100 nautical miles away. Furthermore, there is no basis in international law that says proximity is reason for determining sovereignty. China's soverign territory can be just 3 miles from other countries and it would still be China's sovereign territory. Furthermore, some Philippine islands are hundreds of miles from the Filipino main islands but are literally just a couple of miles from Malaysia's coast. Therefore, it is nonsense to say that China should give up its sovereign territories just because they are too close to other countries and make them "恼火". Such ideas just rob the rightful territories of the Chinese while other countries simply disregard it. It saddens me that there such stupid Chinese who are willing to give away their heritage for some misguided sense of justice that is not even recognized by the international law; and which every country disregard.

Cayman Island belongs to UK. Yet Cayman is less than 200 nm from Cuba while UK is thousands of miles away. You cannot say since Cayman is closer to Cuba therefore it should belong to Cuba. Therefore, the sovereignty of Cayman is determined by historical evidence and not by proximity. And it is nonsensical to say whatever country is closest to an island must possess it. Nobody in the world except guofujia believes such nonsense.

Historical evidence is the justification for determining sovereignty. Of course, China must have historical evidence to justify its claim of sovereignty over any part of its territories. Neither can other countries justify their claim of sovereignty without historical evidence. Historical evidence is how international court decide the question of sovereignty. It just shows the ignorance of fuguojia to dismiss historical evidence so carelessly. Which makes me wonder who this fuguojia really is. I think he is more likely to be some foreign agent than a normal patriotic Chinese.

The determination of sovereignty in the eye of the international law does not depend on "无谓的口舌之争" but on verifiable "历史渊源" historical evidence such as maps, treaties, conventions, etc. In terms of these historical evidence China has more than any other countries. Therefore, either fuguojia knows absolutely nothing about the international court decision process for sovereignty or he is some traitor or foreign agent who try to trick the Chinese people into abandoning their rightful claim of sovereignty by riduculing the abundant historical evidence by calling it needless verbal squabble.

In the end, China has the most rightful claim of sovereignty over S. China Sea and must as a matter of honor protect it. As to how to protect it, it is very simple. China has overwhelming military power over any or all other countries. Just go in there and blow them away. There is no need to be gentle with these invaders. China fought the Japanese with guns. So China can again fight these invaders with guns. In any case, Malaysia and Brunei will not fight China. The Philippines has no navy to speak of. Just sink their flag ship which is a 70 years old American destroyer with a single missile and the war against the Philippines will be over. The Philippines has no money to buy a modern navy. Nor can the Filipinos be able to operate a modern navy due to its corruption and lack of technical ability. The only real enemy is Vietnam. But Vietnam is much smaller than China in terms of economy or population. Vietnam's economy is only around $100 billion with a population of less than 100 million. Vietnam's air force consists of some 54 Su-30 and Su-27 with another 35 on order. China has more than 600 equivalent fighters. Therefore, it is to China's advantage to blow away Vietnam as soon as possible before it expands its air force. Once the fighting is over, Vietnam cannot sustain a long term war against China. It's economy will simply collapse and the Vietnamese people will ultimate rebel against their own government and ask for peace with China so that their country can develop in peace. And then peace will return to S. China Sea.

China must be willing to solve the problem with force. In this case only force can solve the problem. And fighting Vietnam will not hinder China's economic progress at all. China may lose 50 fighters which can be replaced with around $1.5 billion which China can easily afford since its forex reserve is more than $3 trillion. The cost to Vietnam will be much heavier proportionally than to China at about 60 to 1. Therefore, China can keep fighting while Vietnam will soon be collapsed totally. Unless China got defeated by Vietnam's little air force. In which case the Chinese government has much to answer to the Chinese people.

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-07-12 09:38 #17

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时尚老头 写道:: 各位愤青请注意啦!你们要知道靠喊口号是拿不回南沙的,你的口号喊得再响亮,越南人也听不到,也听不懂。你要是有力气就多动动脑子,帮咱们的政府想出一些切实可行的主意出来。比如南沙存在夺取容易守卫难的现状,你有什么解决的办法?

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-07-12 13:54 #18

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cxhai wrote:
» 2011-07-11 17:38
时尚老头 wrote:各位愤青请注意啦!你们要知道靠喊口号是拿不回南沙的,你的口号喊得再响亮,越南人也听不到,也听不懂。你要是有力气就多动动脑子,帮咱们的政府想出一些切实可行的主意出来。比如南沙存在夺取容易守卫难的现状,你有什么解决的办法?
Defeating Vietnam is not difficult. Just blow away its air force and navy and it will not be able to occupy Chinese islands in the Nansha Archipalago. As I posted before Vietnam has only some 50 to 60 Su-27 and Su-30. It is also buying some 30 more from Russia. So the sooner China attack Vietnam the easier it is. Or to put it in reverse, the longer China waits the harder it will be to attack Vietnam and the heavier the cost. So give Vietnam an ultimatum to get out of Nansha A. say by the end of July, 2011. And attack it on all fronts after a general declaration of war.

China should start with a missile barrage on Vietnam's air bases to destroy as much of its Su-27 and Su-30 as possible. Then it should follow up with attacks by J-10 and Su-27 and Su-30 and other UAV and bombers to mop up the remaining Su-27 and Su-30. At the same time China should attack all Vietnamese navy. Hit all the surface ships and hunt down all its submarines. Blow up all its naval bases. China should also destroy all Vietnam's infrastructures such as bridges and all its high value industrial and commercial facilites and assets. If China goes to war then it should be all out war. This should be like America's attack on Iraq with shock and awe.

Once the Vietnamese air force and navy have been destroyed, China can call on the Vietnamese garrisons on the occupied islands to surrender. If they don't surrender then China should attack it with missiles first and then with guns from battleships. If the garrisons are heavily guarded then there is no need to sacrifice a lot of Chinese soldiers to attack it. Just wait and starve them to death.

Once the islands have been retaken, then they can be garrisoned by Chinese soldiers. If the Vietnamese air force and navy have been totally destroyed, then they cannot attack the Chinese garrisons on the islands. If Vietnam does not surrender, then the war can go on. China must blockade Vietnam and strangle its economy. Without any foreign exchange, Vietnam cannot buy any fighters or ships. China should also block any delivery of arms to Vietnam. If the US or Russia tried to deliver arms to Vietnam, then China can use force to stop them. Or China can use economic policies to discourage them. For instance, if the US tried to deliver submarines to Vietnam, China can kick out GM or Walmart from China. I don't think the US will sacrifice GM just to save Vietnam. China must use its power both economic and military wisely.

After 10 to 20 years, Vietnam will be totally devasted. Its people will then overthrow their government and beg for peace with China. The cost to China will be minimal. Its economy is 60 times bigger than Vietnam. It can spend $5 billion a year to replace its fighters and naval ships. Vietnam cannot spend even $1 billion without bankrupting its economy especially if it doesn't have any exports to earn the foreign exchange. Vietnam cannot buy and fighters or naval ships if it didn't have any foreign exchange to pay for them.

China must mobilize its army to guard the land border with Vietnam in case it attacks on land. But I think it is easy to stop the Vietnamese army from attacking China. In the end, fighting Vietnam will give the Chinese military invaluable experience in fighting battles. This will be invaluable training for the Chinese military to test their planes and missiles and ships and especially their generals and soldiers. If the planes have any problems then these problems can be quickly corrected to make the Chinese weapons superior. America keep fighting wars for the purpose of training their military and testing their weapons. China should do the same.

Especially as China's exports decline following the decline of Japan and the West, it will need to expand its domestic economy. Military spending will be a good way to provide employment for tens of millions of Chinese workers over the medium terms of 5 to 10 years. As China's economy doubles over the next 10 years to 80 trillion yuan, it can allocate 2% of its GDP or 1.6 trillion yuan for military budget. It can spend 300 billion yuan per year for procuring fighters, missiles, submarines, etc. For example, it can spend 50 billion yuan for fighters. If each J-20, J-16, and J-18 cost 150 million yuan then it can buy more than 300 per years. It is easy for China to maintain a war against Vietnam indefinitely while it continue to develop technologically and economically to enable a rapidly expanding military.

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-07-12 14:05 #19

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比如南沙存在夺取容易守卫难的现状,你有什么解决的办法?


As I said before, it is easy to defend the islands once Vietnam's air force and navy have been totally destroyed. It is a mistake to just fight the Vietnamese to occupy the islands while leaving Vietnam mainland free to increase its economy and military and launch endless attacks on the islands.

Therefore, the way to safeguard the islands is by destroying the Vietnam mainland in terms of both the air force and navy as well as in its economy until Vietnam has no money to buy weapons with which to attack the islands.

If China merely retake the islands and then try to defend it against attacks from Vietnam then it will suffer a lot of losses. China must not make the mistake of trying to occupy Vietnam mainland. This will be like America trying to occupy Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan. China can cripple Vietnam's economy simply by destroying its infrastructure and prevent it from buying fighters and naval ships and missiles to attack Chinese islands or mainland.

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-07-14 21:11 #20

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Liang3a 写道:: As I said before, it is easy to defend the islands once Vietnam's air force and navy have been totally destroyed. It is a mistake to just fight the Vietnamese to occupy the islands while leaving Vietnam mainland free to increase its economy and military and launch endless attacks on the islands.

Therefore, the way to safeguard the islands is by destroying the Vietnam mainland in terms of both the air force and navy as well as in its economy until Vietnam has no money to buy weapons with which to attack the islands.

If China merely retake the islands and then try to defend it against attacks from Vietnam then it will suffer a lot of losses. China must not make the mistake of trying to occupy Vietnam mainland. This will be like America trying to occupy Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan. China can cripple Vietnam's economy simply by destroying its infrastructure and prevent it from buying fighters and naval ships and missiles to attack Chinese islands or mainland.

以上说的非常好. 南沙之争, 不能象越南希望的那样只局限于南海, 他们可利用地利的优势占尽中国的便宜. 中国应该让其明白, 如果胆敢在南海做得过火, 中国完全可以轻易地从陆地上修理它. 关于这一点, 本论坛已有专门论述, 参见:

中国武力收复南沙,并不存在地理上的劣势 (大视野必读)
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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-07-17 07:58 #21

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领土谈判历来都是要做好两手准备!积极谈,准备打!在强大的军事、经济实力下谋取最大的领土。

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-07-17 16:40 #22

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by deco-11 » 2011-07-16 15:58

领土谈判历来都是要做好两手准备!积极谈,准备打!在强大的军事、经济实力下谋取最大的领土。


Given the current situation, I don't think it is possible to induce the invading countries to leave peacefully. The more China try to induce them to develop jointly the more they will think they can take everything. They think China will not dare to fight them anyway. This is why war is inevitable. The Chinese government think that if it fought one invader, then all the invaders will unite with the US and Japan as well as Australia and UK to attack China. Then India will join in and maybe even S. Korea too. I think this is highly unlikely because none of these countries can afford to fight. Japan, US, UK, S. Korea and other NATO countries are all suffering from economic recession. Australia is making a lot of money exporting minerals to China. And India must always look out for Pakistan while S. Korea must look out for N. Korea. Furthermore, the Philippines and Malaysia are not allies since they have territorial disputes between themselves over Sabah. And Malaysia is simply too weak and cowardly to fight. As well, Malaysia has a lot of internal problems with the Chinese and Indians in Malaysia who are about to vote out the dominant Malays in the next election. Also Malaysia has territorial disputes with Thailand. And Philippines is too weak and corrupt to fight a modern war with China. And the US will never spent hundreds of billions of dollars just to help out Philippines.

So in the end, the only country that will fight is Vietnam.

China's GDP is more than 60 times that of Vietnam. And with greater emphasis on internal development, China can continue to grow rapidly and double over the next 10 years. So by 2040 China's economy can be 120 times bigger than Vietnam. And China can easily suppress Vietnam by destroying its air force and navy and industries and maintain a naval blockade until its economy is strangled. In the end the Vietnamese people will rebel against their own government and peace can be restored. This is using China's bigger economy to defeat Vietnam. The only thing China should not do is to try to occupy Vietnam. That would be a mistake that America had found out.

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南沙群岛的风云再起,中国动一下越南又如何! 2011-09-20 19:35 #23

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一直以来, 被侵占的中国南沙群岛风云不断, 越菲等国不断兴风作浪, 其中又以越南表现最甚.

此贴发表以来, 一晃四年又过去了, 中国基本上还是没动.

四年之后的今天, 人们的呼声依旧: 中国动一下越南又如何!

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